Chapter 598 Chapter 178 Unique Scenery (Recommendation Vote Requested)
"Indeed, not." Lucian admitted "frankly".
Hathaway was silent for a while, as if organizing the language: "I think the comments you give are too high, and it will make the arcanists have rashness and detachment from reality, although applying the volatility of electrons to the new alchemy model can indeed allow some of the imposed quantization conditions to be naturally derived, but this evaluation of a hypothesis without any experiments or signs to guide it, does not use the serious and down-to-earth arcane atmosphere to develop."
She said a little messy, but Lucian still barely understood, because the electron as a wave can solve some of the current problems of the new alchemy, her assumptions about Dieppe are not as conservative and stubborn as imagined, and she has made a certain mental preparation, after all, for her, the perfection of the new alchemy is more important, and it is her future direction.
Moreover, she uses "waveability" to describe electrons rather than "electrons are waves", apparently attributing the problem to the special properties of certain particles, just like the explanations of quantum diffraction and interference images of light by particle theory proponents - although these conjectures are full of contradictions and none of them have yet been taken seriously, it does not prevent Hathaway from referring to similar ideas.
You must know that any unbelievable and bold hypothesis in the past was due to the discovery of certain problems and loopholes, and related associations were made, such as Lucian's quantum hypothesis of light is based on the wave theory that cannot explain the photoelectric effect.
And this time, Dieppe's hypothesis is purely the product of open-mindedness, pushing the wave-particle duality of light to all microscopic particles, but whether light is a particle has to be questioned, and there is no indication that this is not its unique property.
The most important thing is that this hypothesis only seems to be possible to solve the problems of new alchemy, and does not clearly explain the photoelectric effect like the quantum hypothesis of light, which is consistent with all current experimental results even before there are precise experiments.
In short, she felt that Lucian's praise of Dieppe's hypothesis would create a speculative arcane trend.
Oliver was worried that Lucian did not understand the point, and specifically added: "Your evaluation of Dieppe's unfounded thesis will make other arcanists feel that it is an opportunity, because it does not require any problem to find fault with a classical theory, and then start from this fantasy and use mathematical methods to obtain a rigorous deduction process.
"For example, I can directly accuse you of being a spy for the church without evidence, and with this premise, I can lean on what you have done, and then use rigorous but selective deductions to argue that you published a subversive thesis to blow up the brains of more magicians, and even directly let us die as members of the Supreme Council, so as to achieve the goal of eliminating the Magic Council. Don't you think this is ridiculous? Do you still want to encourage such behavior?"
Lucian said seriously: "I got some inspiration from the hypothesis that electrons are waves, and it seems to see the dawn of solving the problem of new alchemy, which is why I gave such a high evaluation.
"Moreover, since photons can be volatile, why can't electrons? Neutron can't? Protons can't? In the microscopic realm, this is a relatively traceable hypothesis, not a pure fantasy."
In the discussion of the arcane, Lucian is a person with his own persistence, and he cannot admit that his evaluation is too reckless because of the accusations of the two great arcanists, and admit that Diep's thesis is indeed too bold and too out of touch with reality, which is unfair to the professionalism and authority of his comments, and it is not fair to Diep's efforts.
Even if you have not done experimental confirmation, you will have the same persistence, and those who can make this comment must have merit, but if you are really pointed out loopholes or have experimental results to refute them, then you are not a stubborn person.
"When was light recognized as a particle?" Vicente, a pale middle-aged man wearing a black cloak, said coldly, the dark red flame in his eyes beating quite violently.
Hathaway looked at the revenant dominant and said, "Whether you admit it or not, the photoelectric effect and the Brook scattering experiment are all there, clearly showing everything."
"But I think scattering experiments may also have an explanation for waves, such as ......," Oliver said of his idea of constructing special waves that can exhibit particle properties.
Douglas frowned and said, "There are no experiments and theories that can support your ideas yet."
"This is not a direction." Brooke said succinctly.
……
Suddenly, due to the dispute between wave theory and particle theory, the entire Supreme Council conference room became very noisy, and gradually, as the quarrel deepened, they even experienced emotional fluctuations.
"Let's build your special compound wave first, Oliver." When Klaus spoke, it seemed that countless points of light appeared behind him, constituting different alchemy phantoms, including golems, dolls, floating cities, alchemy fortresses, and magic steam trains......
Oliver shook his finger: "No matter how you look at it, this is also a way to explain the photoelectric effect and the Brooke scattering experiment. And, before discussing my question, you'd better re-examine the particle theory, perhaps there have never been any particles, they are all special manifestations of waves."
One after another scenes of destruction around him transformed into an apocalyptic atmosphere that stained the conference room.
"If the particles are all waves, are the elements composed of these microscopic particles waves? Are the life composed of these elements waves? More precisely, are we waves?" Vicente did not agree with Oliver on this reasoning, he was an authority on the human body and soul, and it was difficult to believe that the body was a wave? How can a body with a real touch be a wave?
The black tombstones of peaceful eternal rest seemed to grow one after another on the carpet of the conference room, and silent death enveloped everything.
Oliver waved his hand, signaling that his words were not strict enough, and said again: "To be honest, although I admire Yudieppe's hypothesis and also want to give him a high evaluation of the corner of the world, at least so far, I don't believe that electrons will be waves."
As he spoke, he used magic to directly construct a scene of electronic movement in the cloud room, and the pale white mist droplets formed a wonderful electronic trajectory, full of dreamy and shocking flavors.
"With such an obvious particle trajectory, I am not so bold enough to believe that it is a wave for the time being, but since Lucian agrees with Dieppe's hypothesis, does it also mean that he agrees that wave is the essence of light?" As he spoke, Oliver set his sights on Lucian.
He was using Lucian's comments to attack his own quantum theory of light.
"I said, maybe electrons can exhibit volatility in special situations, such as when bound around the nucleus." Hathaway stood in Lucian's camp again at this time.
Helen is one of the few legendary magicians who has not been able to recognize the projection of the world, and she has been quietly listening to the dispute between the supporters of the wave theory and the supporters of particle theory, and at this time she couldn't help but interject: "In fact, since the quantum hypothesis of light was confirmed, I have been very confused, why is light both volatile and particle, and should we really look at this issue from a higher level as Evans said?"
"...... that can be explained from the perspective of the wave theory" Oliver once again emphasized his opinion, and those who can become great arcanists must persist.
Seeing that the two sides were about to start a "frank and friendly conversation" again, Douglas hurriedly signaled them to be quiet, and all kinds of visions in the conference room suddenly disappeared, from hellish scenes to the real world.
"The confrontation between wave theory and particle theory has been going on for a long time, there is no need to delay today's time, since Lucian insists that there is no problem with his comment, and it is not the result of the thesis review, it seems that there is no need to discuss it further?" Douglas glanced around at everyone.
Oliver nodded slightly: "Let me ask you one more question, I believe everyone is equally curious, Lucian, in your heart, is light a wave or a particle?"
"Also, are electrons waves or particles?" Vicente added coldly.
Hathaway, Helen, and others also looked at Lucian, curious about his true arcane position.
And since the visions have been frequent, Lucian has been quietly watching this situation that is very different from any other scene, which is a unique scenery that can only appear when the Supreme Council meets to meet.
At this time, hearing their questions and feeling everyone's gaze, Lucian did not refuse to answer, but looked at the abnormal teacher with a slight worry and asked seriously: "What is a wave? What is a particle?"
Kindness? The members present were at least the arcanists of the Nine Rings, and they didn't expect Lucian to ask the most basic concepts, and they were a little stunned for a while.
"Lucian, this is not the time for lectures, although your nickname is Professor." Oliver said consciously humorously.
Vicente had only two dark red flames in his eyes, and only thin skin wrapped in bones was left on his face, making it difficult to see his true emotions: "The definition of waves and particles is mentioned in the arcane basic books, everyone's time is precious, if you don't want to answer, then stay silent."
"Wave is a phenomenon, originally summarized from various wave conditions in nature, and used in arcane research, the specific definition is......" Hathaway did not care about Vicente, and roughly explained the definition of waves and particles.
Lucian smiled and said: "It is clear that the definition of waves and particles comes from us, from our experience of the real world that can be directly observed."
"What's wrong with this?" Brooke crossed his fingers against his chin, as if he was guessing.
Douglas, Prophet Bergner, and Hathaway seemed to remember something, each showing a thoughtful expression, but Hathaway's expression was almost unchanged, and it was difficult to detect if you didn't look closely, while Fernando, the lord of the storm, still maintained his previous silent attitude.
Lucian did not answer directly, but looked at everyone and said: "If you don't think it's a waste of time, I want to tell you a story first."
"No problem." Oliver has always been tolerant of stories.
Since he spoke, the other members of the Supreme Council would naturally not object to such a trivial matter, and they believed that Lucian was definitely not telling stories randomly to perfunctory everyone, he must have his own intentions, besides, the previous quarrels and questions were all based on arcane, not specifically aimed at Lucian, what does it matter if you can explain the problem clearly? It's okay to tell ten!
"Once upon a time, there was a king who got a dragon that had just died, and he was very happy and placed it outside the palace as a symbol of his bravery, so that every nobleman and commoner passing by could see it." Lucian told in a calm voice, "One day, a group of blind people who didn't know about the dragon in the past heard about this and were curious about what the dragon looked like, so they came outside the palace together and stroked the dragon's corpse."
Hearing a group of blind people trying to figure out the dragon's appearance by "touching" it, Oliver, Klaus, and other relatively cheerful members of the Supreme Council all smiled, while others guessed the outcome.
Lucian continued: "A blind man, with the help of a soldier, touched the wings of the dragon and immediately said happily: 'The dragon is a terrifying big bat!' 」
"'No, the dragon is a big lizard!' Another blind man who touched the scales of the dragon retorted loudly that before he went blind, he had caught a lizard and touched its scales."
When they heard the words of the first blind man, most of the members of the Supreme Council showed a smile, but after the second blind man's answer appeared, they all became solemn, and Douglas, Hathaway, and others who had guessed and were mentally prepared nodded slightly.
"I don't want to say more about the answers of the other blind people, I just want to ask, is the dragon a big bat or a big lizard?"
"Neither." Helen probably knew what Lucian meant, but still answered seriously.
Lucian smiled and said: "So, for me, light, electrons, etc. are neither waves nor particles, the only thing that can be confirmed is that they belong to matter, of course, I prefer to call them particles."
"Neither a wave nor a particle?" Oliver frowned slightly, "You want to say that they are actually something else?"
Lucian looked around the conference room: "We can't directly see electromagnetic waves, including visible light, nor can we directly see particles in the microscopic field.
"Take light as an example, we can describe it like this without loading it with the concept of waves or particles in advance, this substance shows obvious waves, and also has obvious particles, what is the frequency in what range, how much is the speed in various media, as for what is the name of matter with these properties, that is not the point, it can be defined as anything, as for why it shows wave or particle nature respectively, and how wave and particle nature are combined in it, is what we need to study further, which must be based on experimental results and real phenomena."
"The reason why we argue endlessly is that the concepts and definitions of the past are mechanically and rigidly applied to the microscopic realm, to the closest place to the reality of the world, and I once said that our experience deceives us, which is one of the manifestations, and such deception is not only reflected in research, but also in our interactions with others."
Speaking of this, Lucian once again looked around at the members of the Supreme Council with different expressions, and said solemnly:
"Only by learning to temporarily abandon the original concept and firmly base it on current phenomena and experimental results can we 'see' the reality of the world in this microscopic world."
After Lucian's words were finished, there was a strange silence in the conference room, and everyone thought differently.
"There is no original concept to study the microscopic world, and experimental results and phenomena also need to be processed and constructed into a system." Oliver agreed somewhat, but was more skeptical.
Lucian said simply: "Mathematical tools."
"I don't know what it is, how do I know what mathematical tools I need?" Vicente didn't agree either.
"Experimental results that can be directly observed can apply previous concepts and definitions, and those that are not directly observed cannot be used, but can be derived from experimental results, and guesses and hypotheses can also be proposed, and then confirmed by rigorous experiments." Lucian elaborated on his point of view, which was gradually formed and solidified due to the influence of strange things such as real-world magic, souls, feedback, and the study of quantum theory.
"So guess that electrons are waves? But there is no rigorous experimental confirmation." Vicente continued, and after going around a lot, the topic returned to the beginning.
Douglas nodded lightly and said, "I think Lucian has a certain point, we see something because the light is reflected into our eyes, and the magnification magic is also based on the same optical principle, but the light will react with the electrons, which will cause it to have a 'leap', that is, change its state, so at least for now, it is difficult for us to think of a way to directly observe the microscopic world, we can only rely on the results of various experiments to generalize, from the induction to assume or interpret, and when assuming or interpreting, we cannot substitute too many original concepts, This will bind our minds and blind our hearts."
"But in any case, directly guessing whether electrons are waves or too far from reality, at least the current experimental results show no signs of this, and they all show particles." Oliver shook his head, and Hathaway and the others nodded slightly, agreeing with his view, at least particle nature is an obvious experimental result, and it is difficult to associate volatility with that distinct trajectory.
However, they also initially accepted that in arcane research, in the microscopic world, they cannot blindly substitute the original concept.
"Can we see the reality of the world by giving up the original concept?" Brooke smiled with a slight sigh, "But we who have learned arcane since childhood and accepted various definitions and concepts are likely to accidentally substitute the original concept without realizing it in our research, and maybe sometimes, introducing the original concept will make things simpler."
Douglas looked at his pocket watch and said, "It's getting late, Lucian has also expressed his opinion, you can communicate privately."
"Well, I will try to reconstruct the new alchemy model with the concept of electron waves and give its wave function to see if it can solve the problem to test this hypothesis." Brooke is very interested in this direction and seems to have found a way to reinvent his own perceived world.
Oliver also nodded and said: "I will also put my ideas into the concept of electron waves and try to construct its wave function, hoping to gain something."
Hathaway didn't express anything, and when she could remain silent, she always didn't speak.
And "Revenant Lord" Vicente said to the storm lord with a mocking smile: "Old pervert, why haven't you spoken? Could it be that because he is his own student, he doesn't want to rant at him in front of us? It's not like you, who are very adamant about the truth in the arcane realm."
As soon as he said this, the other members of the Supreme Council came to their senses, and the storm lord had not spoken! You must know that in the past, when this kind of argument occurred, the conference room was definitely dominated by lightning and thunder, heavy rain, and roaring to the sky, but today it is so abnormal?
Fernando, the lord of the storm, seemed to be suppressing something, and after glancing at Vicente, he glared at Lucian: "Take it out, they should be able to withstand such an impact."
"Take out what?" Lucian pretended to be stupid.
"Take out what?" Other members of the Supreme Council were full of questions.
Fernando roared violently: "When you give your comment, I know you've completed the experiment! Take it out, let's see what the world is really like! Let's see what it means to give up the original concept!"
"Do you think we can't even afford such an impact? Especially in unknown areas!"
Done the experiment? Oliver, Klaus and the others looked at Lucian in astonishment, is it really done? Didn't Lucian's attitude mean...... How is this possible?
Even the legendary magicians with indifferent expressions, such as Hathaway and Helen, showed a little shock and surprise, which made them full of life, as if they were flesh and blood now.
Douglas looked at Lucian solemnly: "If it's done, then take it out, the person sitting here won't be so narrow-minded and stubborn."
He added that most of them are supporters of the wave theory, and a small part of them are mentally prepared because this hypothesis seems to solve some of the problems of the new alchemy.
Lucian looked at them in silence, got a unanimous nod, took a deep breath, took out a large single crystal, and casually arranged the magic circle so that the image could be revealed directly.
Brooke didn't speak, raised his hand, and directly fired a stream of electrons.
Time seemed to be frozen, abnormally depressed and silent, and it didn't take long for the magic circle to light up, revealing a classic picture like an X-ray diffraction pattern!
In the eyes of everyone, this pattern is so familiar, so dreamy, but so shocking, so unbelievable!
"This ......" countless inner self-words came out unconsciously.
Boom!
Countless lightning danced, thunder struck, and a black storm shrouded the sky;
The surrounding black magnetic field is distorted, and the invisible electromagnetic waves are abnormally disordered;
Stars emerged one by one, emitting bright light, distorting the surrounding space and hanging down gravity;
white, black, gold, silver, a little bit of the elements condense into a tide like the sea;
In the peaceful place of eternal rest, black tombstones are inserted diagonally on them, filled with a strong smell of death;
The black universe is vast, planet after planet annihilation, falling into endless waves of destruction;
Snowflakes fell one by one, and the temperature of the entire room dropped by a hundred degrees, and there were crystal clear ice everywhere;
Many visions emerged one by one, stirring in the conference room, forming a terrifying scene where light and shadow and brilliance intertwined, destruction and death danced together!
Boom!
In the illusory thunder and the sound of destruction, they all turned their heads to look at Lucian, and saw Lucian standing there, with his hands in the pockets of his black double-breasted long dress, and his voice was very low and half-repeated Brook's words:
"Only by giving up the original concept can we see the reality of the world."
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